tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post6290869821252769681..comments2024-02-01T09:12:47.911-05:00Comments on Progression's Horizon: Drama LlamaMemoocanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14119914052819598974noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-62117546387590885132010-10-22T23:05:40.830-04:002010-10-22T23:05:40.830-04:00Simply put, the standard for wormholes is in place...Simply put, the standard for wormholes is in place for the good of the ones running and the good of the Uni. The Uni doesn't allow pilots to fly BCs during war without a T2 tank and rigs. Is it somehow elitist to have that? No, it is to prevent needless losses and has nothing to do with someone being a "noob" in PvP. Are standards elitest? In a fleet, your fleetmates are responsible for your wellbeing just as you are for theirs, so a certain skillset IS needed. Anyone can train them up, so how are we stopping anyone from coming into wormholes with us? We are providing a community that bases around wormholes and is open to ALL, even if not everyone knows about it yet.<br /><br />/end wall of textMemoocanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14119914052819598974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-54383360961911487052010-10-22T16:36:41.963-04:002010-10-22T16:36:41.963-04:00I know, I'm happy to discuss.
We don't ad...I know, I'm happy to discuss.<br /><br />We don't advertise regularly, no, but we certainly don't try to stay secret. Our mentality is only to help and educate as well as make a profit. My hope is that we can finally become official with the Uni, since we have tried before. Wormholes are a beast unto themselves. There are certainly many different ways, but people find a way that works and generally stick to it. If the Uni wants to encourage WH activity and educating students, but then shut down a group doing just that, I get confused. The WHC is a mix of Unistas as well as anyone +5 and up to the Uni, so it's more a conglomeration that is available to the Uni at present. <br /><br />And to answer your question Nevore, James Arget is the de-facto head of the WHC and his brainchild. I am only a participant, so my views are not necessarily his own nor anyone else in the channel.Memoocanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14119914052819598974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-8602679613408198312010-10-22T15:19:47.543-04:002010-10-22T15:19:47.543-04:00I don't mean to offend Memo.
Frankly, I neve...I don't mean to offend Memo.<br /><br /> Frankly, I never heard of the other channel before reading your post, and I'm sure life would continue as normal for me if I hadn't.<br /><br /> My particular curiosity was about the mentality that only a certain type of skill set is helpful to achieve a given end.<br /><br /> Eve has a history of showing that there are many ways to accomplish any given task. <br /><br /> As far as the chat room goes, I simply mentioned that the concept of a seperate community is exactly what the Uni has mentioned being non-aligned with their goals, and thus on their radar.L'ourisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-11571769510518192822010-10-22T15:08:25.889-04:002010-10-22T15:08:25.889-04:00The service WHClub renders to the Uni is quite val...The service WHClub renders to the Uni is quite valuable and frankly, it is not of the Uni. Forbidding a player to use any venue but a Uni sanctioned one is a bit arrogant. <br /><br />How is taking their ship in only to explode going to be a useful experience? They can come as salvagers, they can come as scouts, if they really want to they can come to blow up. If people want to blob a WH for a class as a learning experience, then why not. But there is no point going into a WH just to die. All I'm saying is that it is the FC's choice and like it or not, and this applies to other corps that run WHs, they won't end up going until they can contribute effectively. Those are for regular operations. <br /><br />I'm not sure how to explain that we ARE open to everyone and we are certainly willing to help and teach and have quite a bit. There's no intended separation. It's a platform to allow easy, quick access to a community that trusts and knows one another. There's nothing saying other people can't come into that community.Memoocanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14119914052819598974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-80956904424010923672010-10-22T14:37:32.389-04:002010-10-22T14:37:32.389-04:00"But you also have to remember, the point of ..."But you also have to remember, the point of a WH op is the ISK. Why blob something and make no money with so many shares, than take a few hard hitters and make good money in a few hours?"<br /><br />^^ Hate to say it... but this statement reads to me like the reason the Uni wouldn't appreciate the independant clubs.<br /><br />Wormhole ops are one of the few things allowed during war that allows folks to stay in corp, on that char, and make ISK.<br /><br />When you are talking about excluding folk just because their ship blows up....and your not forced to share bounties ( none on sleepers if I read right ), you are talking about an unneccessary seperation of Unista's.<br /><br />Why NOT take along some suicide newbies so they can make some cash? People often drag along week old characters in salvage ships for missions that would destroy them too?<br /><br />I'm sure I'm missing some nuance, but the 'you must be this high to fly in a wormhole' just seems like a load of posturing.L'ourisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-62560017044224939882010-10-22T14:27:44.715-04:002010-10-22T14:27:44.715-04:00With respect, you cannot attack Sleepers in T1 fri...With respect, you cannot attack Sleepers in T1 frigs. That is alot of needless losses because they cannot handle waves of damage from Sleepers. I'm not saying high SP. I only have 6 mil SP and its mainly in industry. What you need to be able to field, and here I am referring to Class 3s since you can do C1 and 2s in cruiser packs, is a battlecruiser with a T2 tank. The Drake is a fast and easy train for this. But you also have to remember, the point of a WH op is the ISK. Why blob something and make no money with so many shares, than take a few hard hitters and make good money in a few hours?<br /><br />I will refer you to the Uniwiki itself:<br />http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormholes#W-Space_Fleet_Composition<br /><br />That section and others easily show why you cannot go in frigs. And again, I never said I'm opposed to newbies in cruisers, as long as they are open to learning and can fly in the lower class WHs without needlessly exploding. It's 0.0 sec space, vulnerable to ganking and many newer players don't want to risk what is their highest value asset. For those that do, I'm all for having them along, it's a great experience. <br /><br />Hope that answers it :)Memoocanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14119914052819598974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-85644735726656892472010-10-22T13:37:04.043-04:002010-10-22T13:37:04.043-04:00ok... call me dumb but:
What exactly are these &q...ok... call me dumb but:<br /><br />What exactly are these "advanced" skill sets needed for wormhole ops?<br /><br />I understand that the sleepers hit hard. ( Lost my first heron to a Sleeper in the first three days I think ). But honestly, blob the WH.<br /><br />I'm not convinced that ANY aspect of Eve is the exclusive domain of high SP characters.<br /><br />Whats the worst case for a T1 frigate blob getting blown to pieces in a wormhole? lots of pretty explosions?L'ourisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-263374907043060402010-10-22T00:32:03.417-04:002010-10-22T00:32:03.417-04:00I've attended a few WH classes and honestly ca...I've attended a few WH classes and honestly can't remember it being mentioned, or in any of the channels.<br /><br />Whose brainchild is it? This kind of links in to some talk on the forum regarding a solo/dueling channel/group that was being mooted. Past attempts had always fallen away because no one felt they "owned" the project and thus had no right to be promoting it etc.<br /><br />It's a cagey area for the Uni I guess, while EDROP are on good terms now, as far as I know there was some bad blood over it at the time and the Directors don't want a repeat performance.<br /><br />Probably the best solution would be to make it a wormholes.e-uni chat, or keep the current name but "advertise" it a bit better, maybe get it into some of the wikis and chat channel refs.Nevorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08132832968483916699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-50225667146168099002010-10-21T23:37:07.606-04:002010-10-21T23:37:07.606-04:00I've often seen the channel name mentioned in ...I've often seen the channel name mentioned in Uni channels and I think the Uni needs to give more WH classes. After each class, the channel was offered to the class, giving a good segue from class to real application. We could certainly be more visible, but its not my brainchild so how it goes isn't really up to me.Memoocanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14119914052819598974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-63067959457095031892010-10-21T23:04:02.444-04:002010-10-21T23:04:02.444-04:00Well, I for one had never heard of it, but I'd...Well, I for one had never heard of it, but I'd be interested in it.<br /><br />While I'm not accussing the group of being secretive, perhaps the fact that it isn't widely advertised is the problem?<br /><br />For example I'm in a small group that are moving ourselves out to 0.0, though we're pretty embryonic right now and the current faildecs are setting back our schedule. <br /><br />Perhaps that could be part of the solution. Make it more overtly open and welcoming, maybe run the occassional advertised fleet op, like the EDROP one currently planned. While I understand there's a specific skillset needed, there's no reason that that can't be adhered to.Nevorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08132832968483916699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-57164450350604516322010-10-21T20:36:54.993-04:002010-10-21T20:36:54.993-04:00Great responses guys, thanks so much. Yes, it is t...Great responses guys, thanks so much. Yes, it is the Wormhole Club. I have no problem letting people know where there's a resource available to them. Anyone interested can avail themselves of the pilots and their knowledge. It's a very community based area and we love helping noobs into wormholes. I remain optimistic, but with the stamping out of the Caldari channel, I have doubts. To my understanding, the password for the channel is twofold: to keep relative security for operations that are dangerous as it is and to also make sure those that seek us out are not just doing a drive by lurking. They want to learn and we want to teach. This is how I got started so I would like to see it continue in the same mature fashion.<br />As the thread is for staff only, this is my avenue of debate.<br />Thanks again guys :)<br />MemMemoocanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14119914052819598974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-72908710048057551582010-10-21T20:15:02.155-04:002010-10-21T20:15:02.155-04:00Without the WHC I wouldn't have had even the l...Without the WHC I wouldn't have had even the limited experiences of W-space I have currently. Exploration.E-Uni simply isn't up to the task of handling WH's, they are not something that can just be lumped in with K-space exploration. Just look at the number of different classes that need to be dedicated to them! Plus the whole atmosphere of the .E-Uni channels just... doesn't really work for WHs; I've found even Missions.E-Uni of dubious value when I'm in Aldrat, and almost useless elsewhere (which is where my missions are). Plus on spider fleets I'm always being accused of freeloading because I have lvl4s but don't have the skills to blitz them in minutes. And the WHC is considered exclusive?TheWarpGhostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-83495390507263650612010-10-21T17:50:53.579-04:002010-10-21T17:50:53.579-04:00I assume the channel in question is Wormhole Club?...I assume the channel in question is Wormhole Club? I was directed to this channel months ago when I was interested in wormholes and looking for more information. I never viewed it as a private exclusive channel when I was in it and didn't realize other people viewed it that way. Wormhole Club is the same as Loo Operations IMO. Loo Operations is a "private" channel for to chat and find out additional information about industry. I stay in there and industry.e-uni and see no problem with wormhole club. WH by nature require a larger Skillset then the beginning uni pilot can muster, and having a channel where people who are ready for WHs to form up is not an issue (assuming that the channel is open for others to join). <br /><br />Hope that the Directorate doesn't close it down.Viperous Starknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-22397196179296327292010-10-21T17:45:14.740-04:002010-10-21T17:45:14.740-04:00No, it's not Exploration.E-UNI, it's a dif...No, it's not Exploration.E-UNI, it's a different one. Mem didn't mention it, so I won't, but ask around and you'll find it.<br />This is an excellent examination of the situation, and should be recommended reading for all Unistas interested in the workings of the Uni and long-term policies. <br />Precedent is important, and the directorship is always VERY cautious in making decisions with the potential impact of this one. So, I'm optimistic that this will be handled in an acceptable fashion.<br />End wall of text. :PArdent Findernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9113908223889493479.post-63783833882695974942010-10-21T16:28:42.385-04:002010-10-21T16:28:42.385-04:00Is this Exploration.E-Uni? Other than the public c...Is this Exploration.E-Uni? Other than the public channel I don't bother logging into *.E-Uni unless I have a specific question so miss most of this stuff.Beanardnoreply@blogger.com